You here may not know that. The last 2 years we have had two consultations a year. There have been staff trips and research reports and the Ray Commission and there has been no debate on the Senate floor on this issue and not one single hearing in any sense becausewhy? Because the refugee consultation procedures have served us well. It is simply not true that only three Senators on the subcommittee conduct the business of the refugee program. Senator THURMOND has always been deeply involved. Senator SIMON. Senator KENNEDY and Senator GRAssu=y were all involved. The entire Judiciary Committee participates.