I thank the gentleman from Texas for the additional time. I would say to the gentleman from California that I posed a question in an apartment in Leningrad. I posed the question. as we were sitting there grappling with the problems of war and peace and world politics and Refusniks and exit visas and so I posed a question to a group of oh. I suppose 10 or 15 refusniks. some of whom had been waiting to get out of the Soviet Union since the mid1970s. and after they had described the horrors they had gone through since applying to leave. I then said. "What should the United States do? Should we consider a trade off at the arms control table so that we would trade missiles in exchange for visas?" The shock in that room was overwhelming. I thought they were going to throw me out. Everyone at once began shouting. "No. no. no." Once the excitement died down. as one refusenik looked at me and he said. "Because you see. if you trade our lives for Americas defense. then the whole world. what will it pay?