For example. the negotiations on what was in the last urgent supplemental appropriation. after three vetoes. was carried on with David Stockman. not with the President. I am sure the President knew he was vetoing $3 billion for mortgage assistance. But I am equally sure that he depended on staff to deal with all the small Items like child health. summer Jobs. refugee assistance and the WIN progAm. Let me say to my friend. the Senator from Illinois. that we all depend on our professional staff. particularly our committee staff. to tell us which are good programs and which are turkeys. But we also learn that our own staff have views and biases. and we come out here on the floor and talk to our colleagues about programs. and we make many changes in what the committees report.