What experience these gentlemen have ever had of industrial development I honestly do not know. All I can say from the views that they have expressed in this House. is that they obviously do not have the faintest glimmer of understanding of the dynamics of industrial development and what Is required If South Africa is to maintain its flow of growth. They only think in terms of migrant workers. They have no knowledge of technological changes. which mean more skilled workers and not less. They make no real effort to retrain white workers who are going to be displaced by the technological changes. Where are the big programs for deployment of labor and for the retraining of labor? I do not hear of any of these. but only of regulations to make use of migrant African labor. but I will come back to that later.