It so happened that I was in the State Department for a little more than 3 years. During 4 or 5 months of that time I was acting as the chief administrative officer of the Department and was Air. McLeods immediate superior. I also worked very closely with Mr. McLeod. implementing the refugee relief program. I can answer the question of the Senator from Pennsylvania. I have been at the White House on many occasions with Mr. McLeod. I have been in the Presidents Office with Mr. McLeod. I did not introduce them. because the President said. "Good morning. Scotty." or "Good afternoon.