Chairman. there is no question in my mind but what the Voice of America today is a very much better instrument than it was a year ago. 2 years ago. or 3 years ago. I think. however. that we still overestimate its value. I was talking to a refugee from behind the Iron Curtain just a short time ago. and I asked him about the effectiveness of the Voice of America behind the Iron Curtain. He said: "You know. those of us who do listen to it cannot help but get smiles on our faces when we hear the Americans talk about how bad communism is. because we have it. we live under it. we know how dastardly it is. we are slaves of it. and it is rather ironical to have a country like America tell us how bad it is." Still I feel that the Voice of America should carry on. but I think that it will be ineffective and it will fail in its purpose if we do not implement what we hope to carry out by the Voice of America. What we intend to do by the Voice of America is to discourage those people behind the Iron Curtain from accepting the doctrine of communism. to run away from communism. desert if they possibly can. and they are not deserting necessarily because they listen to the Voice of America but because they despise communism. and they are deserting by the hundreds every day.