It is equally a safe conclusion that you can count on the fingers of one foot all of them who have access to any of the defense establishments in Russiawho have had an opportunity to go behind the Urals and see what is being done over there comparable to what is being done here in the matter of defense establishments. So our reciprocal policy toward Russiaone of fairness. one of dealing across the boardis pretty much a matter of propaganda. promise. and publicity. It is not a matter of reality. It is not being done from the standpoint of an exchange of visas of official visitors between Russia and the United States on a realistic basis of reciprocity.